Fidel Ramos, through his spokesman Ed Malay, said he will attend the rally only if it reaches a million strong (remember our critical mass). Ramos added, however, that he is opposed to Charter change even before the merger of the rulling Lakas-CMD.
Mayor Jejomar Binay says this could be the tipping point!
The
Victorina tries to make sense of yesterday's CONASS rally…
Trixie Angeles- Like most people, I was disappointed at the turn out and the miting -de- avance feel. In other words, it wasn’t an anti-ConAss rally, although that appeared to be the conceit. It was primarily a means for hopeful candidates to strut their stuff in aid of re/election. True, everyone there rallied against ConAss. But we weren’t really angry, more like going through the motions. The good news was the fact that anti-Conass rallies were held in major cities nationwide; this means that it is a real National concern, and the numbers that matter are no longer limited to Metro Manila participants.
As to whether or not this will lead to real change, I'm not sure.
Another matter of note, only seven senators showed up, which could mean that ConAss can still get by the Senate. I like Paul's suggestions. I also like the Sanlakas strategy of picketing the individual congressmen responsible for Chacha.
On a purely conceited note, I’m in the Iquirer front page, no credit, but am holding the banner of the Gallery of Traitors. Hahahaha.
Kitty Go- First -- like fashion, if there is one too many, the 'look' or cause becomes overexposed, and you can't give it away even at TJ Maxx.
Second--- it is either VERY HOT or rainy, and no one wants to be outdoors in those conditions--the French (July summers probably in late 1700s were not so bad plus it took them 3 Louises before they did anything) and Russian revolutions (October so still nice but enough to worry about coming winter)
Third--- tropical countries, unlike
Imagine if a country with the same conditions in the
Brian Gorrell- It's really is as simple as 1 - 2 - 3.
WHY should people have to rally and protest every time they want their voices heard????
When will it end?
People are too busy.
Too busy to care I'm afraid.
They know they're going to end up with mediocrity no matter how loud they shout, despite how long they rally.
People power is indeed dead.
Paul Farol- It was cute and had the feel of a street concert cum miting de avance. 5, 200? Perhaps.As for using the internet, perhaps an e-mail writing campaign would be more effective.
We can try to clog up the inboxes of congressmen. Or if we're capable of doing it, why don't we get someone to vandalize the personal websites of congressmen who voted for con ass?
A vilification campaign is also worth considering.
Boldstar- Constitutional changes need to be validated by a plebiscite (Article IV, Section 1. The legislative power shall be vested in the Congress of the
pwede mangyari parang story of King Leonidas of 300...
O 300 lang sila but they made a change. Yun lang nga tsugi silang lahat!
“Any attempt at this time will fail because they don’t have the critical mass... so why mount a coup attempt if you are going to fail? You just do a great disservice to people and the country at large,” says Ramos...
COUP 101 (for coup neophytes)- How Can A Coup be Successful?
By Emil Jurado
First of all, a military coup cannot just happen overnight, and least of all, get reported in the newspapers and over television. A coup must be covert and well-planned, taking into consideration many factors, like ideology of those planning it. And it must have credible leadership like they had in 1986 with then-Col. Gringo Honasan leading the RAM (Reform the Armed Forces Movement, which later on was renamed Rebolusyonaryong Makabayan), together with then- Defense Secretary Juan Ponce Enrile and then-PNP/INP Chief Fidel V. Ramos.
For a coup to succeed it needs the support of a critical mass — the people, studentry, civil society, the middle class, and the Church. Recall that the success of the 1986 mutiny of the RAM was due largely to the support of the critical mass and so was in 2001 when the military chain-of-command withdrew its support for then-President Joseph Estrada.
This means that no amount of coup attempt or military adventurism like the Oakwood mutiny can succeed without the support of the people, and vice versa. No amount of mob rule as we saw when mobs laid siege on Malacañang can succeed without military support. History has proven it.
And to have a certain amount of success, a coup attempt must have everything in control within a space of 24 hours — radio, television stations, newspapers for propaganda purposes, communication, transport system, the airports and the seat of power. These entail a lot of planning and support of the large segment of the military and the police. These are the necessary ingredients of a successful coup.
I agree with Brian. Going on a rally like yesterday's was nonsensical. People are too busy-or even so, too jaded to care.
Besides, are rallies always the first step towards change in the Philippine political environment? I don't believe so. Filipinos have taken rallies for granted, and unfortunately, "people power" is no longer that powerful as compared before. The move towards a change in the form of government is an entirely different issue as with the change of presidents, thus a different approach should be taken. (i'm still thinking of a better approach to address the con-ass issue, i'll make a follow up comment)
Another point, it's not really the change of government that we should worry about-rather the people who will be taking over the new form of government. If the same people would be there, the same people who have been part in intensifying state corruption, then there wouldn't be any change at all.
One thing I have observed though, is that the politics of the Philippine national government is way too Manila-centric. I am currently living in Tacloban, which is like 900 kms south of Manila, and most of the people here are not even aware of the move towards a constitutional assembly. I think, before heading towards barricading against con-ass, it is better to educate Filipinos about what it is in the first place. Reach out to the grassroots, because whatever result the con-ass will or will not produce, the toll will be on them.
RAMOS tells GMA to STOP!
"I am not seeing a critical mass," Ramos said. "That critical mass will not happen unless there's a real national outrage."
Former Philippine President Fidel Ramos called on President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo on Tuesday to stop any moves to amend the constitution amid growing disquiet in the country over attempts by her allies to extend her term.
Ramos, who has also publicly criticised Arroyo on some issues, said the president and her allies should wait until after the 2010 presidential polls before amending the charter because of widespread distrust now among Filipinos of the proposed changes.
"These entail a lot of planning and support of the large segment of the military and the police. These are the necessary ingredients of a successful coup."
I don't think the brain of Trillanes can fathom this statement!
I agree with Gorrell that "People power is indeed dead"...
USE THE INTERNET INSTEAD!
Brian said it right. It's as simple as Rain's 3 points.
Better to voice your opinions in the comfort of your own home. Plus...you can pick your means of entertainment, as opposed to the sleep-inducing kind you find at rallies.
Tipping point? Hahaha...
Funny man, this Rambotiti.
Dona Victorina is a better group blog than Filipino Voices, you know why?
One reason is that Filipino Voices is currently arguing over Primer's bad English.
Har har har!
They Always Fall,Always...
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." Mahatma Gandhi
who wants to people power now when election is just a year away. True am pissed off with the congressmen who voted for charter change and I am ready to protest but then I saw the nuns and the usual oppositionists like Cory, Estrada etc and got turned off!
Personalities aside, you guys should address the issue of con-ass.
And why should Gorrell's opinion matter on this? Walang ka-laman laman.
I am excited about the possibility of an internet powered political revolution.
However, there are a few things going against it.
One thing is that only a small percentage of the total population in the Philippines have internet connections, let alone computers.
Last time I checked, the NSO said that there was around 4 Million internet users.
Perhaps that number may grow but we don't have any indication of how fast.
(excerpts taken from a 2002 article by larry chin)
MANILA, WASHINGTON, and GLOBALIZATION
The Empire's Corporate Front in Manila
August 8, 2002�Despite earnest grassroots nationalist opposition over the past several decades, the Philippines remains a neo-colony of the United States, economically and military bound to Washington, and hopelessly addicted to foreign capital.
The US has a huge economic stake in the Philippines, which is central as a military and intelligence base, as well as a source of energy, raw materials, land, cheap labor. It was no surprise that securing the Philippines was the focus of the first US post-Afghanistan intervention in the so-called "war on terrorism."
In his book Endless Enemies, the late Jonathan Kwitny described the Philippines as "the Zaire of Asia," and "the one Asian country where we (the United States) have engaged in covert political activity, and sometimes fighting, and where things have gone pretty much our way. Every anti-guerrilla campaign has been victorious, and every election, real or rigged, has produced the winner the US government desired."
Notes Gary Leupp, an associate professor of history and coordinator of the Asian Studies Program at Tufts University, "The Philippines was a US colony from 1898 to 1946. One-tenth of the Filipino population was wiped out in the first US exercise in counter-insurgency in Asia. The US backed a series of vicious regimes after the Philippines' (alleged) independence, most notably that of Ferdinand Marcos."
The book Development Debacle: The World Bank in the Philippines by University of the Philippines professor Walden Bello, details how the World Bank, the CIA and other US agencies have systematically plundered the domestic economy of the Philippines for transnational corporate interests, privatization, and deregulation�-and how the "Asian market crisis" of the late 1990s was the direct result of such programs.
According to Filipino investigative journalist Bobby Tuazon, who penned a searing investigation of the Arroyo cabinet ("Global Corporate Oligarchs in Arroyo's Board of Advisors," www.bulatlat.com, February 10�16, 2002, is a primary source for this section), the successive administrations of Presidents Marcos, Aquino, Ramos, Estrada, and now Arroyo, have continued the tradition of allowing the Philippines to be carved open and exploited by US and foreign capital.
President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, an American-educated economist, has been a lifelong advocate of corporate globalization. She is the daughter of the late former Philippines President Diosedo Macapagal, whose administration was supported by the United States and the CIA, according to many historians. Tuazon characterizes Arroyo as "the new spokesperson who will, a la Marcos, agitate for renewed U.S. aggression in Southeast Asia."
Ramos' former foreign secretary Roberto Romulo is the Philippines' "senior international advisor on international competitiveness" under Arroyo. Romulo, a vociferous corporate globalization advocate, heads the Pacific Economic Cooperation Council (PECC), an executive lobbying body that promotes "free trade."
Former President Fidel V. Ramos is Arroyo's "special envoy for international opportunities." Despite his denials about the importance of his role, Ramos functions essentially as the country's co-president.
He is also a direct agent of the Bush oligarchy.
part 2
(excerpts from a 2002 article by larry chin)
Ramos is a senior advisor of the Carlyle Group and the head of Carlyle's Asian advisory board. Its directors include former US president George Herbert Walker Bush, former US secretary of state James Baker, current US secretary of state Colin Powell, former SEC chairman Arthur Levitt, former UK Prime Minister John Major, and former South Korean Prime Minister Park Tae-Joon.
Carlyle's client list has included the likes of the bin Laden family and George Soros (a major player involved in the so-called Asian economic crisis of the late 1990s). Saudi prince Alwaleed Bin Talal has been one of Carlyle's major investors. Its chairman is former Reagan administration defense secretary Frank Carlucci. Carlyle has major stakes in Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Japan and China, which was recently admitted into the World Trade Organization.
During his presidency, Ramos was Washington's best friend. As Daniel Shirmer described in Fidel Ramos: In the Footsteps of Marcos": "Ramos follows the lead of Ferdinand Marcos in willingness to open the Philippines to foreign capital, with minimal restraint. He follows the lead of Marcos in solicitous attention to the claims of the U.S. military, covered over when politically expedient by gestures of nationalist intent."
"President Ramos's commitment to the reign of the free market in the Philippines and Asia is well known, especially since he played host to the 1996 APEC conference in Manila. Less known in the United States, perhaps, are the efforts he and his administration have made on behalf of the U.S. military in the Philippines. Since the Philippine Senate defeated the bases treaty in September 1991, the Pentagon has been trying to re-establish its military presence in the Philippines in order to be able to use that country again as a springboard for U.S. power projection. President Ramos and his administration have been the Pentagon's main allies in this effort."
"Ramos' adherence to both free market ideology and US military dominance is evident in his support for the Pentagon's policy of 'rest and recreation' in the Philippines (widely understood as the US military's use of Philippine women as prostitutes). He apparently accepts as normal and legitimate the exploitation of cheap Philippine labor�in this case sexual labor�by the armed forces of the superpower."
"As a high military official of the Marcos dictatorship Ramos supported the U.S. bases; as President Aquino's Minister of Defense he continued this support. In November 1994 the Pentagon, with Ramos's support, proposed to broaden the limited access agreement of 1992 with an Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement (ACSA) giving the U.S. military rights in the Philippines, and the use of Philippine territory as a launching pad for possible U.S. intervention."
Much of Philippine economic policy is shaped, or at least influenced, by foreigners and multinational corporate oligarchs. As revealed by Tuazon in Bulatlat.com, President Arroyo's highly influential 13-member "International Board of Advisers" is headed by a virtual who's who of elite world finance.
like fashion, if there are one too many, the 'look' or cause becomes overexposed and you can't give it away even at TJ Maxx.
i agree with kitty! people power is so 80's- neon colors, 7 cut and top siders!
internet power is the way to go!
trixie says "But we weren’t really angry"
what's there to be angry about eh di naman matutuloy conass.
iboto po natin si eddie gil for president
"The poor (those who don’t have access to internet) have lost their trust on politics as the answer to their problems. "
And the poor can be bought to rally at 100 pesos per head.
how dumb!
Luis Teodoro,
Current middle-class apathy is not due to an imagined “People Power fatigue,” but to cynicism.
Why aren’t they out on the streets demanding that Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo resign the presidency she’s likely to have stolen?
In reply, middle-class people and some sectors of the business community ask why they should, given the alternative.
That alternative they see as no more than another Arroyo– though with a different name– replacing Arroyo.
The Arroyo regime has welcomed middle-class doubts that removing Arroyo could be meaningful. But the spread of this sentiment is bad news for the ruling system, and for the Arroyo regime itself.
VICTORINA is BACK!
Finally but where is your posterboy?
agree. "These entail a lot of planning and support of the large segment of the military and the police. These are the necessary ingredients of a successful coup."
I don't think the brain of Trillanes can fathom this statement!
"Wala yan ," Fidel Ramos said.
"Why? Because the coup plotters have not yet garnered the critical mass support not just from the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the Philippine National Police and of the people needed to mount a coup," he added.
Ramos stressed that Filipinos are tired of coups because they are the ones who will be seriously inconvenienced.
American scholar Alfred W. McCoy, take a similar line of reasoning.
McCoy describes rebel officers as forming a fascist faction within a military subservient to the ELITE.
He portrays them as RAMBO-like torturers of Left-wing activists.
His interpretation pins down military mutinies to psychological factors:
1. because they have developed the torturer's mindset
2. rebel officers want to have the same GOD-like power over civil society as they have over their victims.
say no to military adventurism!
freedom of speech at it's finest!
pwede mangyari parang story of King Leonidas of 300...
sino si Rain B? si Xerxes?
how can we accept yesterdays rally when their leaders are no good reptiles?
Hello- BINAY, JDV, Loren Legarda, JV EJERCITO, JUN LOZADA. NO WAY!
yup as soon as I heard lord estrada attended i screamed so hard i had to have nurofen for da headache
I agree with Rico that the poor can be bought to rally at 100 pesos per head.
Kaya nga wala ako bilib sa RALLY eh!
Hey I wana see how Boldstar looks like. Is she a bomb?
Nabuhay ang Victorina
completely agree
Anonymous said...
Hey I wana see how Boldstar looks like. Is she a bomb?
According to official sources, 534 officers were suspected of involvement in the December 1989 coup.
These include seven brigadier generals
one Navy commodore
13 colonels
45 lieutenant colonels
47 majors
155 captains
123 first lieutenants
91 second lieutenants from various military units throughout the Philippines.
Where are they now?
FORGOTTEN!!!
ngek. 5200 is not even a barangay
Kitty is right...Mag-rally tayo na naka Prada!
bryanboy said...
Kitty is right...Mag-rally tayo na naka Prada!
AYOKO ng PRADA
Let's go L.V.!!!!
Mayor Jejomar Binay says this could be the tipping point!
sorry mukha siyang chonggo!
what happened to andro ramirez?
Interesting excerpts from Anon 5:36pm.
Now it makes more sense as to why FVR travels a lot and continues to act as if he's still in charge of this country.
If those were only excerpts, I would love to read the entire article.
i bet boldstar looks like she bomb she bomb lalalalalalalalala
by the way she write she doesnt like whitening stuff but married to a white guy.
so she must have dark skin pure filipina.
FVR's travels should not be marginalized and his brains is still as sharp as ever!
Anonymous said...
trixie says "But we weren’t really angry"
what's there to be angry about eh di naman matutuloy conass.
iboto po natin si eddie gil for president
June 11, 2009 6:42 PM
kasing baduy mo siya!
shit!
is boldstar married?
badtrip
I heard Grace Poe's speech. She kept on harping about the "Puno na ang salop" theme. This, I believe, is the problem -- for the middle class, hindi pa napupuno ang salop!
The average middle class Filipino, rightly or wrongly, believes that there is, as of yet, no urgency which would necessitate their presence at these rallies.
However, if the House of Representatives does push through with this Constituent Assembly without any Senate participation AND if the Supreme Court sides with the Congressmen, then this, I believe, will be the tipping point. For the middle class to get involved, something VERY DRAMATIC should happen. So far, the middle class senses a danger BUT it is a danger which is not quite dramatic as would jolt them to take to the streets.
Typical mañana attitude.
Paul said...
I am excited about the possibility of an internet powered political revolution.
However, there are a few things going against it.
One thing is that only a small percentage of the total population in the Philippines have internet connections, let alone computers.
Last time I checked, the NSO said that there was around 4 Million internet users.
Perhaps that number may grow but we don't have any indication of how fast.
June 11, 2009 5:32 PM
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paul, i share the same excitement and concerns. given the time left before 2010, i honestly doubt it will make much of a difference for this coming election. you've already stated some reasons why. add to that the usual lousy list of candidates that are running for public office.
the net may have been an advantage for the obama campaign, but this is the philippines. here, the internet is still in it's "infant" stage (sad to say). the numbers you presented attest to that fact.
perhaps we can start our internet-powered revolution now and keep learning our lessons from it as we go along. next time, who knows? maybe there'll be many more pinoys who are more informed, and ready to make a difference for the next election (assuming there'll be a next time). no one can guarantee it's a sure thing, but it's better than being a fence-sitter.
Some people will see these rallies as a waste of time, as fruitless, noisy, exercises in futility. Perhaps even those who join them can feel the vagueness of purpose also. How can these rallies achieve anything if the organizers don’t have any worthwhile goals to begin with? If the object is to make noise, to make more people aware of political issues – most of us already know. Even the peanut vendor has something to say about politics.
Unless there’s a really motivating, and rewarding reason, these rallies will just be that – noise.
After all this time, the way I see the past EDSAs changed…these were not spontaneous, nor did they result from a sudden outpouring of patriotism as we would like to believe or were made to believe. These were the end result of someone’s agenda, an organized, perfectly planned event (or series of events) that had a common end – money and power. Behind all these drama are people who stood to gain from it all. Unless there’s a more worthwhile reason, nothing will come out of all this. There will always be people who can shake and move things, and I don’t mean the figureheads that we see each time. People who can organize the church elite, big business, politicians under their influence, shady elements of the military, and media. They will be more discrete with appearances and credit, preferring the more lucrative pursuit of power and money.
These may be Arroyo’s clique, or Estrada’s, or someone else’s…one things for sure, there are always groups with agendas, the difference lies in how good they are in attaining their objective.
…but these people believe they are doing the people a favor, we need leadership, whether good or bad, as long as the illusion of freedom and democracy is fed, its not really that bad.
Some videos of celebration after s successful, well planned, endeavour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjF22LM9RE&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9bECSgfqk&feature=related
Sigh! I mean I personally don't feel that this Cha-Con thing is good news to any of us!
I mean we have already sacrificed enough from what government has been doing on daily basis and now we are going to permanently put officials that we don't want!
They are literally taking away the only thing that scares them. And that's through elections!
The politicians are more worried becoz people can recall politicians and are barely disswayed by Artistas who wave their hands during campaign period!
who cares if ramos didn't attend the rally? do we need his approval for any rally to succeed? yeah, we know he's a powerful guy and all that, but what an arrogant fossil!
These may be Arroyo’s clique, or Estrada’s, or someone else’s…one things for sure, there are always groups with agendas, the difference lies in how good they are in attaining their objective.
I AGREE.
KAYA PLS DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE FACE VALUE.
I ENJOY THE FACT THAT AMIEL IS A DOUBTING THOMAS!
THIS IS WHAT VICTORINA IS ALL ABOUT!
MABUHAY ANG VICTORINA!
Victorina, again, you enrich my maturity as a citizen of this so-called third world cesspit.
for me ramos is still the best president in my short lifespan.
One thing I have observed though, is that the politics of the Philippine national government is way too Manila-centric. I am currently living in Tacloban, which is like 900 kms south of Manila, and most of the people here are not even aware of the move towards a constitutional assembly.
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Nothing ever happens in Tacloban anyway. Waray upay, waray karigo
REVOLUTION
(Lennon/McCartney)
You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
I also agree with Gorrell and Rain. Great points.
C O R N Y
Revolution by Tracy Chapman
Dont you know
They're talkin bout a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Dont you know
They're talkin about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
While they're standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion
Poor people gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people gonna rise up
And take whats theirs
Dont you know
You better run, run, run...
Oh I said you better
Run, run, run...
Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talkin bout a revolution
GO VICTORINA
Gorrell makes sense!
Lyka Virgin said...
I agree with Brian. Going on a rally like yesterday's was nonsensical. People are too busy-or even so, too jaded to care.
Dont you know
They're talkin bout a revolution
It sounds like a whisper...
YES NOTHING HAPPENS!
Former President Fidel V. Ramos is Arroyo's "special envoy for international opportunities." Despite his denials about the importance of his role, Ramos functions essentially as the country's co-president.
Ha! The cat's out of the bag!
(but Ming was the coolest First Lady)
Dont you know
You better run, run, run...
Oh I said you better
Run, run, run...
HERE COME THE WATER CANNONS!
@Anonymous on June 11, 852 PM:
(Dang, it's hard to keep a threat here. Really!)
With regard to the idea of an internet powered revolution in the Philippines and echoing the title 'Tipping Point', I'd think it won't be the gross numbers that will really matter but the quality of those involved and the quality of their participation.
In the book Tipping Point, much is said about the power of the few to create, propagate and direct major social/political/economic trends.
What we really need, perhaps, is a map of the the Philippine cyberspace that will identify who the real major influencers are in various fields of endeavor.
But over all right now, with regard to the power of the Philippine cyberspace community to influence events IRL (in real life), we have seen many instances where blogging and other internet activities have swung public opinion. Bambee de la Paz, Hayden Kho, etcetera.
Perhaps, we will see more of this and the numbers won't matter.
What higher numbers of internet users will add to the equation of an internet powered revolution may be the speed at which a particular viral manifesto or document is adopted.
Right now, we have to wait for our messages to filter through traditional media before it gets amplified.
If we had direct access to more people using the internet, I'd think we will reach more influencers and increase the speed of propagating a message.
Right now, bloggers are just providing fodder for perception mappers to gauge the strength of support for or against a particular issue. It isn't what I'd imagine to be like in the states where I can imagine blogs and other cyberspace content actually influencing perception and driving trends.
Ang Corny Ninyo
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard the banging of hearts and fingers
War!
People fill the world with narrow confidence
Like a child at birth, a man with no defence
What's mine's my own, I won't give it to you
No matter what you say, no matter what you do
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard the banging of hearts and fingers
War!
Man is far behind in the search of something new
Like a Philistine, we're burning witches too
This world of hate must be designed for you
It matters what you say, it matters what you do
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard the banging of hearts and fingers
War!
After the bird has flown
Walked ten thousand miles back home
You can't do that to me, no, you can't do that to me
You can't do that to me, no, you can't do that to me
War!
War!
In this heart of mine, I'll find a place for you
For black or white, for grown-up children too
Now we're fighting in our hearts
Fighting in the streets
Won't somebody help me?
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And love means nothing in some strange quarters
War war is stupid and people are stupid
And I heard the banging of hearts and fingers
No more war
say no more war
say war
I said war
No more war
say no more war
say war
Said no more war
I said no more war
Senso hant-ai
Senso hant-ai
Say no more war
Say no more war
Critical Mass with PUSSYCAT DOLLS concert- 35,000 plus. Oh pwede na ba military take-over?
Boy George said...
Ang Corny Ninyo
War war is stupid and people are stupid, etc...
who said anything about war?
look in the mirror, BG. that's where you find stupid.
Anonymous said...
Former President Fidel V. Ramos is Arroyo's "special envoy for international opportunities." Despite his denials about the importance of his role, Ramos functions essentially as the country's co-president.
Ha! The cat's out of the bag!
(but Ming was the coolest First Lady)
June 12, 2009 3:27 AM
...while Noli de Castro just stands by a window, imitating an owl.
PRF said...
With regard to the idea of an internet powered revolution in the Philippines and echoing the title 'Tipping Point', I'd think it won't be the gross numbers that will really matter but the quality of those involved and the quality of their participation.
the quality of participation should be a cause for concern. too often you find PEP-level comments in here that weaken the over-all perception which won't help your cause...and when you're going up against guns, goons, and gold, i think the numbers matter at this stage because the hungry and uninformed voters who outnumber us can easily be manipulated. an increased focus on the quality of topics and comments is what i would suggest.
Right now, we have to wait for our messages to filter through traditional media before it gets amplified.
this would certainly speed-up things, but i don't know to what extent they will help. the people behind traditional media also have their own interests, and i don't know if these interests will coincide with the public's wishes.
If we had direct access to more people using the internet, I'd think we will reach more influencers and increase the speed of propagating a message.
without a solid candidate that a majority are willing to stand behind, what exactly is the message? we have 11 months to find such a candidate and unite people with this 'message' if we wish to make a difference in 2010.
Right now, bloggers are just providing fodder for perception mappers to gauge the strength of support for or against a particular issue. It isn't what I'd imagine to be like in the states where I can imagine blogs and other cyberspace content actually influencing perception and driving trends.
exactly. it's different from the situation in the states, but it's good that you guys are starting something rather than nobody doing nothing. that being said, MAY YOUR TRIBE INCREASE! you've got some work cut-out for you, but you can count on some of us to stand along with you as long as the fight is more focused than it is now. once people are able to recognize and find a sort of common ground with your efforts, then maybe the numbers won't matter that much. good luck to us all!
(the anon formerly known as 8:52pm)
pussycat Nicole can be my dictator for life.
Do what you want to do as long as you keep Querubin and his fat wife out of the Senate.
...or it's just hopeless?
yung group picture nyo... mukhang katulad din ng Gucci Gang
just an observation
dapat siguro mag picture kayo na me ginagawang bahay sa habitat for humanity at hindi yung nagpaparty din tulad ng gucci gang.
dada kayo ng dada parang chiz escudero eh wala namang nakikitang gawa.
anon: party ba yan- sa Starcucks?
stoooopido!
Rally vs. Cha-cha was disappointing
I just would like to share my personal reaction and observation regarding the rally on Thursday at Makati City, I was just disappointed and discouraged. The organizers and participants as well cannot claim that the rally was massive. I saw no more than 8,000 people, nonetheless the TV news team managed to show them in full on the screen. Anyway, the number of people on the rally was a big disappointment for me, with all the people there harping about the evils of this “Cha-cha” and the people are “all” against it. But all I saw were the usual protesters.
It was just a plain “get together” of aspiring politicians. Presidentiables like Mar Roxas, Chiz Escudero and Legarda went not to protest against Cha-cha but only to take the opportunity to campaign prematurely. That rally was another chance for several politicians to campaign for free. No matter what they say against Cha-cha mtheir political ambitions will still prevail. The people who attended did not even understand what they were “fighting” for.
Remy James Santos
Santa Mesa Manila
remyjamessantos@yahoo.com
amiel is right. medyo brainless ang rally- " For one, there is no allocation in the 2009 budget for Charter change. Then, a new Constitution could not possibly be submitted for ratification by the people in a plebiscite. There should be a law calling for a plebiscite and appropriating funds for its conduct—and such a law is far-fetched given the mood in the Senate."
NAG-ILLUSION si BINAY!
The people who attended did not even understand what they were “fighting” for.
Yup ang gulo gulo nila. One rallyist cant even spell CHARTER... Que Barbaridad!
mga sosyal climbers bwihihi
"we aren't really angry" -- Trixie
Tama. If we were angry, e di tutoong people power na yan. Kaso the organizers only came up with a rally as an excuse for early campaigning. Ano ba yan? or should I say, ano BAYAN?
Hay naku, may pumapatol pa sa mga comment ni Brian?
Cynical isnt good pag bayan na ang pinaguusapan. Ok comments ni Paul, Trixie at ni Rain. Wala na naman si Amiel?
Tingin ko, malabo pareho. The internet isnt quite as powerful here as it is in the US. At the same time, rallies are on the wane. The Philippines is caught in between the two developing media for change.
Agree with Trixie. We aren't really angry. Inis tayo kasi ang kapal ng mga Tongressmen. But the truth is, we are still pinning our hopes on elections. Asa pa!
'taragis. Buti di nagsalita si Querubin or his feeling magaling "wife." Or else, I would really throw up.
Tama! its still about elections. Everything is an election issue. Including ConAss. Mananalo na naman si glueria nito.
How will the people join the rally kung sila Binay, civil society, nuns, misguided priests, Erap the plunderer, Mar at kung sino sino na self-serving lang ang agenda. Super sawa na kaya ang mga madlang people sa mga kung ano-anong mga ewan nila. Gusto lang nilang umupo para makapagnakaw din.
Ramos pa rin ako!!!
Did anyone really expect CHANGE because of the rally?
Baka you want to look at the organizers of that? They are also aging activists na wala namang nagawa. There are even rumors swirling about them that they hold these rallies to liquidate money they received from Gloria herself.
Anon 11:12pm said...
Ramos pa rin ako!!!
Kayong dalawa ni Baby Arenas.
Anon 11:12pm said...
Ramos pa rin ako!!!
Kayong dalawa ni Baby Arenas.
Our Independence Day came nad went without much fanfare, I expected more tradition, more celebration, more pride. Even this day of all days is mired in controversy. We are still in a quandary as to our real identity…then again who cares?
If we’re really empowered as a people we just pick out a date we want and decide its our day, celebrate wantonly, enrich it as a tradition with stories of gallantry and heroism, and revive our nationalistic pride!
I know this ConAss issue is a divisive one, but why fear it and frighten the people in the process? Why not just embrace it, let it play out its course, and see for ourselves if these public officials are really intent on extending their terms? What harm could it possibly do, we’ve gone through a lot already, whats a few more? We are going out of our minds for something that is possible to happen?
Lets look at it this way, our congress,for one has become that powerful that it is possible to move in one direction already? Then our leaders have evolved out of the “divided” directionless, partisan politics already? Is it actually possible to sit back, listen to the “current” leaders and just let them do their jobs, give our support as constituents to our national government and forget about partisan politics for a while? When election comes, then let all hell break loose again.
Do we really believe that Gloria and her administration if left to do their job in peace will drive this country to the ground? Do we really believe that all those congressmen are not serving their constituents well? But are they very popular in their respective districts? Does being allied closely to the admnistration give them access to funds for providing their constituents well? What of the others who continue to oppose the duly constituted leadership, how have they justified their lack of performance, hoe can they perform, they don’t have or not taking pork barrel for their respective projects? So its justified, no performance due to no pork barrel access because it is immoral?
The best leaders are those who can provide for their people well, and these are those who are allied closely to the administration – how can we win against this? The people will vote for them again and again and again.
What if we stop all this noise and hysteria first and let everybody do their job first? Lets relax a bit from listening to perennial oppositionists…
Lets see if Gloria will really drive the Philippines to the ground…